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When do your patience you recommend to administer vaccination on a newborn. Day 1 or after a few months?
What vaccination schedule do you like best?
What levels of Vitamin C and Vitamin A are typically suggested for new borns? Is there a chart some where of recommended levels based on weight?
Son doing super after MMR… thanx for the advice. So now we have DTAP scheduled in 30 days.
Online it says DTAP is not viral, so you would suggest for your clients to do Vitamin C three days before and after, right?
Michael,
Please contact your local physician concerning your childs new symptoms as this forum is not for diagnosing or treating. My guidelines are no more than 5000 IU daily for that short period.
So I have been giving the vitamin A to prepare for the MMR (today is the shot). But I noticed that he has a loss of appetite and is irritable. I have been very careful to only place one drop in his milk. Do you think that combined with his normal food + multivitman (1,500 UI of A) + 5,000 vitamin A could be to much for 25lbs toddler? Should I split the drops in half so the formula would be multivitman (1,500 UI of A) + normal food + 2,500 vitamin A?
Or is this a bad sign and should stop altogether all Vitamin A? He still needs three more day after the MMR the Vitamin A.
If I split the drop… how would I go about doing this? Thoughts???
No fever means not being sick, right? So if I see 1 mucas after a bath or 1 mucas in the AM… this could be allergies or anything…. Just trying to define what is sick…Is there a ‘fore sure’ way I can determine of complete well health?
My guidelines for vitamin A before MMR are starting 3 days before the shot lasting until three days after – so yes a total of seven days. shooting for 2500-5000 IUs. I give it a range because most people use the vitamin A from fish oil and there is always a range. Just make sure it is no more than 5000 IUs
For example if my son was to get the MMR on Aug 22nd the rule of thumb would to give him Vitamin A three days prior and three days after. So using the time line would Vitamin A start on the 19th and continue till the 25th? Being a total of 7 seven days including the day the vaccine is given? Or three days before and after, but not on the day of the vaccination making it six?
Arlyn,
Yes I have read the reports. Measles is definitely one vaccine I recommend to get. It is highly contagious and has a high rate of side effects in those who catch it. I used to give out individual measles shots but Merck no longer produces them so the only choice right now is the MMR. I recommend 5000IU of vitamin A 3 days before and 3 days after as this is a live viral vaccine. Make sure that he hasnt been sick for at least 2 weeks before as well. The story is being blown out of porportion about vaccination status (although this is a serious concern due to the outbreak). So far the children who have been sent home were those who did not have complete vaccination history- which it makes it sound like that is what caused the outbreak. HOWEVER the point case (the first child), the Health Department has not released their vaccine status – which usually means they were vaccinated – it was also contracted while traveling abroad. I have done many vaccine titers and there are a large majority of children who HAVE BEEN VACCINATED but are not immune. The epidemiology of this is very shady right now and until new information comes out we will not know how the outbreak started. They just also released that two other children have received a presumptive diagnosis of measles but their vaccine status was not released also. Again – in all other vaccine outbreaks I have also seen the vaccine status released – and it usually is that they were not fully vaccinated. With the lack of information, I am assuming they were fully vaccinated. If the Health Department released the information that they were fully vaccinated and got the measles anyways, there would be a lot of chaos, in my opinion. So it is unlikely we will hear about their vaccine status.
Hi Dr.Humpherys,
I was just watching the news and wondering what your thought’s are on the measles outbreak that just occured in a high school here in Utah.Is it really a concern? I know the media tends to really make things like this look serious when they sometimes aren’t.Just wanna know from a better source =) Thanks!
Today my son had a rectal temperature of 100.5. Because of his febrile seizures i took him a bath only. Then after the bath it came in at rectal 97.7. Is that typical after a bath? Or this may be an indication of simply to bundled up with a a lot of exercise. I think the the “fever” temperature would be considered rectal 100.4. So could be bundled to much cause the temperature to go up that high alone?
He is acting fine, just very nervous of the MMR and want to be very conservative.
General recommendations to vaccines would apply here. I like kids being 100% healthy the prior two weeks before the vaccination.
Well understood.
My son woke up Monday (21st) and Tuesday (22nd) with green mucus. Then then today nothing. His MMR is Monday (28th). I read online green means bacterial infection. So should I wait X days for this to finish before the MMR?
Although I cant give specific advice for your child because they are not my patient, I can give my guidelines I use with my patients. 6000Iu for a couple of days is safe in my book. Good luck.
Just spoke with Megan and ordered Vitamin A and Vitamin C.
I give him poly drops for his multi vitamin. The daily multi vitamin has 1,500 UI of A. I was thinking for the three days before and after to give him both so he would be consuming 6500 UI for 6 days only.
Thoughts on this?
I was thinking just for 6 days and going back to the normal multi would not hurt.
I could not find in your store vitamin A. Where can I get it in a liquid form?
My son was diagnosed with speech and development delay, so the Tylenol was not helping. Anything I should do to reverse it?
Do a search on our site on acetominophen, you will find a lot of research showing an increaes in developmental delays, allergies, asthma and learning disorders associated with tylenol use and vaccines. So I do not like tylenol at all- I only use it in extreme cases (I had a patient in the hospital that needed a pain reliever and that was our only choice due to a risk of bleeding).
However in your situation you may just need to use it. In that case you will need to give n-acetyl cysteine (1000mg) which will help replenish the gluathione that is depleted by tylenol and hopefully avoid the associated sequelae.
MMR is a viral vaccine so vitamin A
Thanx for the detailed responses. Love your site…
a. What about DTAP, the manufacture suggest to give before and after Tylenol. What are your thoughts on it?
b. Could you also clarify for MMR should be with Vitamin C+A or only Vitamin A?
c. for general vaccines should I be giving the 1000mg of vitamin C before and after for three days?
d. My son get’s Feberal seizures so I am quick with the Tylenol (suppository) and being proactive. If his body hits 101 thats it.. his body will begin to have a seizure. But you are suggesting I may want focus on ibuprofen instead of Tylenol? I stick with Tylenol because it has a suppository.
Thanx for your posts, helps bring clarity to all information I have been reading.
Great questions.
For a 24 month old I recommend 1000mg of vitamin C. I use a liquid made from agave nector that tastes fabulous. My kids would drink it like a juice if they could. but I also like a good a chewable form (no maltodextrin please). You can look at previous posts as to my general recommendations for vaccines – but in a nutshell. Split up vaccines as much as possible, the MMR currently is not available to split up (however there are rumors Merck, the manufacturer, will be releasing them in the fall). Using 5000IU of Vitamin A three days before and three days after for all viral vaccines (MMR, chickenpox, hep A — hep B is not a true viral vaccine as it is only a protein portion).
I do not recommend giving anti-pyretics before vaccines – the reason kids usually get bad fevers is due to multiple vaccines adminsitered. I have yet to have one child in my office develop a fever after a single dose vaccine. Giving post vaccine is fine if they develop a fever and you want to reduce it, but usually the fever is low 99 or 100 and usually kids operate just fine. Remember, a fever is the immune response and it is vital for the antibody production. If they are irritable and not sleeping or the fever spikes over 101 then I say ibuprofen (children’s motrin) is indicated.
As to getting ibuprofen in – that is definitely tough at times – if it was my child and I had tried everything (mixing with food, juice, etc) AND I felt it was absolutely necessary I would load it in a syringe, slide it into the side of the mouth (between teeth and cheek, ) to the back of the teeth and slowly inject it.
You can get any of the supplements at our store – rest assured these are the brands I recommend and feel are extremely effective, safe, orally pleasant and as cheap as we can get them. https://healing.infusionsoft.com/cart/store.jsp
- how much Vitamin C for 24 month old?
– all in one dose or split?
- for MMR should be with Vitamin C+A or only Vitamin A
- how much for Vitamin A?
- where can I buy?
- ibuprofen, son will not take it orally, suggestions?
– will not take it with mixed drink, pacifier, etc..
- should ibuprofen be given before after MMR? If so times?
- on all vaccination should Ibuprofen be given?
My vaccination reccomendations are very individualized for each child, depending on their own individual predispositions and risk of developing an adverse side effects. It also depends on his vaccine status already.
Bottom line – indivudualization is the key
General guidelines
Vaccinate one at a time and dont use acetomeniphen pre or post
Vitamin C 1000mg daily for 3 days before and 3 days after.
if a viral vaccine vitamin A 2000 IU 3 days before and 3 days after.
Dr. Humphries,
With my Son’s third Birthday and three year old vaccinations quickly approaching, is there a vaccination schedule and/or vaccines that you would recommend, or advise me to stay away from? My son has been vaccinated since birth. But, we’re reconsidering what to do in the upcoming years.
I have done a lot of research on homeopathic vaccines. The idea seems very logical and homeopathics are much safer than vaccines. However the research is very poor and immunity has not been consistently shown when treated with the homeopathic vaccines. So I do not believe they are good at preventing the illnesses they state they can.
To address your second question – Are they safe? Yes – homeopathics are so diluted that they do not actually contain the constituents in any measurable amount. Homeopathics are energentic treatments, working with the bodies “energetic” signatures to create a response. So far the only research that I have felt is consistent is their use with acute conditions (ear infections, diarrhea, etc).
Hi Dr.Humpherys,
I came across this site that sells homeopathic vaccine kits.
http://www.asacredchild.com/page1.php
What do you think of it?Is it safe and could we use them here in the US?
Arlyn Lyle
Yes, there is an “outbreak” of pertussis cases in the state of California. Pertussis is a cyclic disease meaning we have an outbreak of the disease every 3-5 years. California’s last outbreak was reported in 2005 so it appears this is part of the cyclic nature of the disease.
The article states that this is due to parents not vaccinating their children – of course they are going to say this every time there is an outbreak. If you search some of the previous articles on this site you’ll see that the last chickenpox outbreak was those that were vaccinated. But in reality we will never know if it truly was caused by an unvaccinated or vaccinated child. Another aspect is that being vaccinated does not mean you are immune. I have many children in my office who have been fully vaccinated and when I check their immune status they are not immune to many of the diseases they have been vaccinated against. This is the biggest flaw of the vaccine proponents – VACCINATION DOES NOT MEAN IMMUNITY.
I ask the question -how severe is pertussis and does the safety of the vaccine outweigh the risk of the disease? For young infants I believe the answer is yes – the most severe forms of pertussis that can lead to mortality most often occurs in children under the age of 6 months. This is one vaccine I do recommend. However, for older children pertussis is usually undiagnosed because it presents just as a persistent cough. A cough that lasts for more than 3-4 weeks needs to be worked up for pertussis. I’ve had pertussis twice in my office in children not vaccinated.
The DTaP is a vaccine that does have a high percentage of reported side effects: inconsolable crying, high fever, unusually behavior and others. The DTP was a very bad vaccine – it was eventually changed to “DTaP (notice the ‘a’) due to its side effects – but the DTaP still carries some risk. There are a few anecdotal reports suggesting that the DTaP vaccine is responsible for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). I don’t believe the research sides with this but it is something to be aware. When I have had patients (including my own children) get this vaccine, I have had no reported side effects and I believe this is due to the fact that they only get one and we boost their immune systems before and after.
So another question to ask – is the vaccine effective. Pertussis is extremely contagious and I do believe it has lowered the incidence of this disease – HOWEVER, not to the extent that the CDC believes. Below you will see an image of the actually disease rate of pertussis.
Hello Dr.Humpherys,
I just read this link on yahoo news and would like to know the REAL truth to this outbreak in California.Should we really be concerned ? And if it is an outbreak,what can I do to keep my unvaccinated son and partially vaccinated daughters safe? I’d greatly appreciate to hear an anwer from a reliable source(not the media).
Here is the link
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/whooping-cough-is-declared-an-epidemic-in-california-1828859/
Thanks,
Arlyn
I’ve never measured oxytocin before and have only recommended the spray twice – both for children with real high anxiety levels. Some of my fellow docs use it much more commonly than I do. I did not find it beneficial in the two patients that used it. The studies are great though and its has recently been in the back of my mind. So has using nicotine. The nicotine patch has been used successfully with children on the specturm, particularly those with inflammatory bowl disease.
The relationship between vitamin C and oxytocin can be read about here – http://www.the-scientist.com/community/posts/list/208.page
I have never found anything though that specifically shows vitamin C “balances” the hormone levels. About 90% of the kids I see I do put on vitamin C so that would be great if it did.
See article “Autism: Oxytocin Improves Social Behavior of Patients, Study Finds” at website:http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100216221350.htm#
Any comments, experience with, concerns about oxytocin nasal spray? Does Oxytocin level get measured in any of the lab tests you use?
I read that Vitamin C can help balance hormone levels including oxytocin, so I suppose this is one of the first approaches. I also read that oxytocin, administered as a nasal spray, “appears to be of special value to children who suffer from anxiety, presumably because it dampens the activity of the brain’s fear center, the amygdala…” (Healing the New Childhood Epidemics by Kenneth Bock, M.D. and Cameron Stauth, p. 258, 348)